Ath.And all the other artists just now mentioned,if they were bidden to offer up each their special prayer,would do so?
Cle.Of course.
Ath.And the legislator would do likewise?
Cle.I believe that he would.
Ath."Come,legislator,"we will say to him;"what are the conditions which you require in a state before you can organize it?"How ought he to answer this question?Shall I give his answer?
Cle.Yes.
Ath.He will say-"Give me a state which is governed by a tyrant,and let the tyrant be young and have a good memory;let him be quick at learning,and of a courageous and noble nature;let him have that quality which,as I said before,is the inseparable companion of all the other parts of virtue,if there is to be any good in them."Cle.I suppose,Megillus,that this companion virtue of which the Stranger speaks,must be temperance?
Ath.Yes,Cleinias,temperance in the vulgar sense;not that which in the forced and exaggerated language of some philosophers is called prudence,but that which is the natural gift of children and animals,of whom some live continently and others incontinently,but when isolated,was as we said,hardly worth reckoning in the catalogue of goods.I think that you must understand my meaning.
Cle.Certainly.
Ath.Then our tyrant must have this as well as the other qualities,if the state is to acquire in the best manner and in the shortest time the form of government which is most conducive to happiness;for there neither is nor ever will be a better or speedier way of establishing a polity than by a tyranny.
Cle.By what possible arguments,Stranger,can any man persuade himself of such a monstrous doctrine?
Ath.There is surely no difficulty in seeing,Cleinias,what is in accordance with the order of nature?
Cle.You would assume,as you say,a tyrant who was young,temperate,quick at learning,having a good memory,courageous,of a noble nature?
Ath.Yes;and you must add fortunate;and his good fortune must be that he is the contemporary of a great legislator,and that some happy chance brings them together.When this has been accomplished,God has done all that he ever does for a state which he desires to be eminently prosperous;He has done second best for a state in which there are two such rulers,and third best for a state in which there are three.The difficulty increases with the increase,and diminishes with the diminution of the number.
Cle.You mean to say,I suppose,that the best government is produced from a tyranny,and originates in a good lawgiver and an orderly tyrant,and that the change from such a tyranny into a perfect form of government takes place most easily;less easily when from an oligarchy;and,in the third degree,from a democracy:is not that your meaning?
Ath.Not so;I mean rather to say that the change is best made out of a tyranny;and secondly,out of a monarchy;and thirdly,out of some sort of democracy:fourth,in the capacity for improvement,comes oligarchy,which has the greatest difficulty in admitting of such a change,because the government is in the hands of a number of potentates.I am supposing that the legislator is by nature of the true sort,and that his strength is united with that of the chief men of the state;and when the ruling element is numerically small,and at the same time very strong,as in a tyranny,there the change is likely to be easiest and most rapid.
Cle.How?I do not understand.
Ath.And yet I have repeated what I am saying a good many times;but I suppose that you have never seen a city which is under a tyranny?
Cle.No,and I cannot say that I have any great desire to see one.
Ath.And yet,where there is a tyranny,you might certainly see that of which I am now speaking.
Cle.What do you mean?
Ath.I mean that you might see how,without trouble and in no very long period of time,the tyrant,if he wishes,can change the manners of a state:he has only to go in the direction of virtue or of vice,whichever he prefers,he himself indicating by his example the lines of conduct,praising and rewarding some actions and reproving others,and degrading those who disobey.
Cle.But how can we imagine that the citizens in general will at once follow the example set to them;and how can he have this power both of persuading and of compelling them?
Ath.Let no one,my friends,persuade us that there is any quicker and easier way in which states change their laws than when the rulers lead:such changes never have,nor ever will,come to pass in any other way.The real impossibility or difficulty is of another sort,and is rarely surmounted in the course of ages;but when once it is surmounted,ten thousand or rather all blessings follow.
Cle.Of what are you speaking?
Ath.The difficulty is to find the divine love of temperate and just institutions existing in any powerful forms of government,whether in a monarchy or oligarchy of wealth or of birth.You might as well hope to reproduce the character of Nestor,who is said to have excelled all men in the power of speech,and yet more in his temperance.This,however,according to the tradition,was in the times of Troy;in our own days there is nothing of the sort;but if such an one either has or ever shall come into being,or is now among us,blessed is he and blessed are they who hear the wise words that flow from his lips.And this may be said of power in general:
When the supreme power in man coincides with the greatest wisdom and temperance,then the best laws and the best constitution come into being;but in no other way.And let what I have been saying be regarded as a kind of sacred legend or oracle,and let this be our proof that,in one point of view,there may be a difficulty for a city to have good laws,but that there is another point of view in which nothing can be easier or sooner effected,granting our supposition.
Cle.How do you mean?
Ath.Let us try to amuse ourselves,old boys as we are,by moulding in words the laws which are suitable to your state.
Cle.Let us proceed without delay.